Tuesday, November 25, 2008

American Express: "We Can Yank From Your Bank Automatically" Clause? Not Quite


The Consumerist has a story on its site suggesting that American Express has added an ominous clause that allows it to yank money automatically from our banks as part of the Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT) section of our credit-card agreement. Not so fast, Consumerist. The new disclosure is much ado about nothing.

From the Consumerist story (story link here):

AMEX just sent out some new changes to terms of service for some customers, and one of them has us scratching our heads in particular. There's various increases in APRs and fees, but then under "In Case of Errors or Questions About Your Transactions" they're now adding "You authorize us or an agent to debit your Bank Account for this amount." What scenarios would qualify under "errors" or "questions"? Don't like the sound of agreeing to let anyone make withdrawals on my bank account without myself pulling the lever.

Let's get to the bottom of this.

If you go to the "In case of errors or questions" portion of the ETF section of your American Express agreement, you'll find that the new language doesn't change anything. The change takes place in the final paragraph of the ETF agreement. The new language must be inserted after the third sentence.

These are the three sentences that come before the new sentence that American Express wants us to insert:

If we determine that there was no error, we will send you a written explanation within three business days after we finish our investigation. Upon your request we will provide you with copies of the documents that we used in our investigation. If we have provisionally recredited your Bank Account during the investigation and determine that there was no error, we will notify you of the date on which we will redebit your Bank Account, and the amount to be redebited.

Those are the three sentences. American Express is saying that if it has already RECREDITED your account -- but later finds out that it was in error -- it will take the money back. It will notify you of the date in which that redebit will take place. That's the old disclosure.

Now add this to the disclosure: "You authorize us or an agent to debit your Bank Account for this amount."

See what I mean? Totally a nonstory. All that American Express is doing is saying that you agree to let them redebit your account. Customers had already been doing that. Indeed, American Express has always notified customers of the date in which this redebit would take place. And this new sentence does not change that. American Express MUST still notify you and tell you what date the redebit will take place. It was just implicit that American Express customers would authorize American Express to "debit your bank account for this amount." American Express's new disclosure just makes something that was implicit -- explicit.

There is no story here. I enjoy the Consumerist (and Ben Popken), so I'm not taking a shot at the site or its author. Just pointing out that the Consumerist and its readers have nothing to worry about regarding the new American Express disclosure.

It's much ado about nothing.

Please let the Consumerist know.

Editor's Note: Turns out that the Consumerist has written a follow-up story, citing my work. Ben Popken (an all-around good guy) has posted the story here (link).

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  • 19 comments:

    JG said...

    American Express has always been a good credit card company to me. I would find it very hard to believe they would step on that reputation. Thanks for clarifying.

    Drew said...

    Thank you. You know why. :-)

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    Drew, no worries, pal. Because I have now seen a couple of places on the Internet discussing this, I figured I should clear it up.

    This would have been big news if Amex could just go in and snatch money without your knowledge or permission. But that's not what this is about at all.

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    JG, American Express hasn't been nice to everyone. But this new disclosure is a nonissue.

    Also, American Express needs to ease off the "bad publicity" pedal if it wants to retain its sterling reputation. During the past several months, its reputation has certainly taken a hit.

    We will see how it fares in the long run.

    Thanks for the comment.

    Marshall said...

    I got this update to the T&C and thought it was a non issue as well. In other Amex news though, I was just reading a thread on FlyerTalk.com which indicated that hold times for Platinum Card customer service were excessively long due to a mass email that went out over the weekend informing many cardholders that their "no-preset limit" cards now had limits.

    So far, I've not received such an email, and my Amex experiences going all the way back to 1989 and my first Green Card have been ok.

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    Marshall, thanks for the heads up. I hadn't heard of that platinum situation. I am a gold cardmember, so I would not have been privy to that platinum stuff. I'll take a look at the FT site.

    Thanks, pal.

    And keep up the good work over at your blog. I've been visiting it.

    Josh said...

    What was that thread URL on Flyertalk.com, curious...

    THanks

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    Regarding platinum cardholders having their no preset-limit cards turn into limit cards. I have not looked at it yet. Been busy with stuff today.

    The Lion said...

    Slacker.... :-)

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    Lion, elaborate. Haha.

    The Lion said...

    You said something about being "busy doing other things" so I called you a slacker. :)

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    Ahh. Nice. Yeah, been a busy one around here. Lots of comments on the blog today, too. Kept me busy.

    Marshall said...

    Josh, here's the url:
    http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=892182

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    Marshall, thanks for the link. Just another thing on my plate to do.

    Thanks for keeping me busy.

    Scott said...

    CM, I'm not familiar with CreditCardWatcher's blog. As far as you know, is there anything to this?...

    "In what could be a portent of things to come, American Express has sent notice to all of its OPEN small business credit card holders that it will no longer process balance transfers or convenience checks. In card holders’ November statements is the notice:

    [Effective immediately, Balance Transfers and Convenience Checks against OPEN Credit Card accounts will no longer be accepted or available. This includes requests made by phone, online or through the use of Balance Transfer, Convenience Checks and Cash checks.]

    I called Amex and they confirmed that all small business credit cards are affected, including new accounts."

    http://www.creditcardwatcher.com/amex-business-credit-cards-no-longer-allow-balance-transfers/

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    Thanks for the heads up, Scott. Don't think I heard that one.

    But I had heard that American Express was removing the OPEN biz cards from the affiliate marketing channel (like Chase did with all of its cards).

    I don't know the CCW blog.

    reclaim ppi said...

    Interesting article. these companies will try to get your money whenever they see an opportunity. Just goes to show how you must always read the small print!

    Great Blog by the way, keep up the good work.

    CreditMattersBlog.com said...

    reclaim, thanks for reading. You do have to read the fine print. I can see why people were troubled by the disclosure, though. Easy to get lost in this stuff.

    I'll keep up the good work.

    credit card charges said...

    "In case of errors or questions about your transactions" sounds quite vague. Does it give the credit card company carte blanche to dip into your account whenever it deems it necessary?

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