Suffice it to say that I have a lot of new readers. This American Express story (link here) has been picked up by almost every major news outlet. And many of those stories led to CreditMattersBlog.com. American Express's decision to offer some customers $300 to go away has captured the attention of a lot of people. What I want to know is this: Where does the card industry go from here? Is American Express's offer an isolated event, peculiar to it -- and it alone?
During yesterday's deluge (traffic was phenomenal here yesterday), I received quite a few emails. Several emails indicated that American Express's $300 offer may be just the beginning. Indeed, one reader passed along a letter that he received from Majestic Visa. The deal goes like this: if my reader pays $1,503 or more of his balance, he'll be eligible for a credit of $27. The more he pays, the bigger the credit. Here is a copy of the letter (click for full size):
I'm also told that General Electric's Money Bank (GEMB) is offering something similar. (I have not seen a letter; if anyone has one from GEMB, please send it my way.)
UPDATE 1: In the meantime, a reader received an offer from Citibank earlier this month. The nice thing about the offer, from the customer's perspective, is that the account does not get closed. From the offer: "Pay at least $150 above the minimum amount due on any of your next 4 monthly billing statements and you'll earn a statement credit equal to 10% of the amount you paid over the minimum amount due. You can earn up to $250 in the program." So, more credit-card issuers are getting in on the action.
Here is the offer (click for full size):
To be sure, American Express is getting all of the press because it's, well, American Express. But rest assured that American Express is just moving to the head of the line. If someone is going to get paid, American Express wants to be that "someone." And it wants to be there first. But look for others to join American Express.
Credit card issuers are desperate for cash. What's more, they're worried about rising charge-off rates, which have ballooned during the past year (story link here). American Express's offer, though targeted to a specific group of customers, shows just how difficult it has become for lenders. The market for asset-backed debt -- which used to be a huge source of liquidity for the card issuers -- is terrible (see story here).
American Express has done a host of things to get its risk down. It's lowered credit limits on customers (link here), it has raised interest rates across the board (see comments section of this story), and it has conducted financial reviews and closed accounts (story here). Nothing has worked.
Now it's turning to these $300 prepaid cards. Will it work? Your guess is as good as mine. But it has to do something. Nothing else has worked. May as well give this a try. American Express, Majestic Visa, Citibank, and GEMB (allegedly) are already on board with this tactic. They're the first. I'm guessing that they won't be the last.
Stay tuned.
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009
The Day After American Express -- Where To From Here? (UPDATE 1 -- Adds Citibank Offer)
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When they get harder up for cash maybe banks will offer competitive interest rates on accounts carrying credit balances. Better yet, a way to buy shares without paying broker fees.
Not sure where we go from here, Jake. I do know that lenders are grasping for straws. They're trying to figure this out. I think American Express might be on to something with this one.
Hard to say, Bro.
Amex's solution assumes customer liquidity or the ability to shift debt elsewhere.
What they should do is find a legal, easy way to make customers investors with no/low fee stock sales. It's a win, win situation because they wouldn't be subject to the additional oversight govt bailouts entail. Citi (for example) was down to $161/share last week and is over $214/share today... the only thing that stopped me from making a quick $.50/share was having no really easy way to buy/sell stock from through their site. Not talking about full service brokerage including shorts and so on, simply banks buying back some of their stock and making it available to those that wouldn't normally invest.
Another option is changing how authorizations are done to retain more of the transaction fees.
Accelerating payments will help Amex short term but I still believe it will be customers without CC debt primarily using their product and better service that fixes them over time. They've really alienated a lot of people.
whats next a chance to win a car if you pay off your debt?HAHA:)
Good story thanks!!!
I am sort of at a loss with American Express' offering...
I mean, they really do not have a sub-prime base like many other issuers. I know they are trying to get to the front of the line to get paid, but if AMEX is offering this, isn't that sort of scary?
I was thinking the media was fanning the flames of a bad economy, but if AMEX customers are in trouble, maybe the economy is worse than I thought.
AA, hey -- a car. I love it. Maybe a Yugo.
Enigma, it's probably a whole lot worse than we think. At first, when I blogged about the $300 prepaid story, I wasn't thinking big picture. I am now.
Maybe a prius???
A Prius. Perfect.
My initial reaction is: "I'm sure glad I don't owe anyone anything". But now I have to think that that position puts my credit lines in serious jeopardy. Right now the focus is on anyone who owes them money. Next it will be people who COULD owe them.
I wonder if those who pay down, and receive credits get a 1099??? Surprize!
AMEX just does not care!
Banks have never been in the "caring" business. AMEX however, seems to take their paranoia a step further.
Cosmos, they will likely be getting a 1099.
Trev, American Express: trendsetter.
Clutch, I think we've already been going through that. That's what all of these limit reductions are about.
Yeah, it is considered interest-and a 1098 INT will be headed to the "lucky contestants".
Sort of like when you open a checking account and get a free iPod or something-you are supposed to get 1098 INTs for those as well.
Yes. 1098-INT. Thanks, Enigma. Was typing too fast.
I think AMEX got more attention because their offer was shocking for mainly two reasons: (1) The amount of money they are offering, $300 which is equal to the rebate stimulus we all got from the Treasury in 2008, and (2) more importantly because they are getting rid of customers. Something that goes against all rules of marketing and business. This crisis will teach us some new concepts in Economics and finance. Concepts that may be exotic sometimes as Amex taught us yesterday.
Knight, true. That $300 is pretty substantial. And your other point, getting rid of customers, is probably the most important piece of the story.
There's talk of a similar offer from Sears over on FatWallet:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/finance/905921?query=sears
Pete, thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated.
I called them today and said I'd pay off my $2700 balance by Friday for the $300 but I'm not eligible. The rep who took my call said management's latest memo was that there would be a note on the account if it was eligible for the payoff bounty, mine was not. I guess I should be flattered. I'll apply the $ elsewhere.
Anon, would you have closed your account?
Yesterday on a call I placed about my bill to Amex regarding my Gold Charge (not Credit) card, I learned that my Sign & Travel and Extended Payment Options had been unilaterally cancelled the day before, based on a recent credit check Amex obtained on me from Experian. I was surprised since I never applied for or used either of those options. But I was angered when they told me the decision was based on some negative items appearing on my credit report. I immediately pulled an Experian Report and saw that, yes, there are a few negative reports: lates and one disputed small collection item. But they ALL dated back 3 to 5 years ago. And every single one of them had been on my report when Amex solicited me for the Gold Card. Since then I have never been late once with Amex, my mortgage, auto or any other card. I even pay my credit cards in full each month. And yet those old items, which were there when I applied for and recieved the Amex Gold Card, suddenly merit a loss of credit. Simply Amazin
NPR is looking to interview someone who has received this $300 offer from Amex. If you are interested, time is of the essence. It's for the midday show. Email me at plastic101@gmail.com.
Anon, I have heard that before. I think it might be time for me to write a story about it. Would you mind shooting me a note at my email address? See the post above this one.
Citibank offered me a 10% bonus on anything I paid above and beyond my minimum payment, so long as it was at least $150 more.
Example: Min. payment is $100, I pay $250, Citibank gives me a $15 statement credit ($250-$100)*0.15, repeated over 4 months and account stays open.
They actually offered me this same deal 3-4 years ago. I even opted out of their rate jack terms in December and still got this statement credit offer.
Thanks, Anon. Much appreciated on the Citibank example.
Readers: if you have any of these letters that you are receiving -- from Citibank, Sears, etc. -- please forward them to me. I'd like to get scanned versions and post them on the site.
Thanks. My email address is four posts up.
I like this as it will help decrease household debt which has to happen if the economy is going to grow again at some point. Unfortunately, its going to kill the economy shortish term. The last thing you want people to do right now is pay off debt in large masses.
Carnap-
that is absolutely true-this is the time that the "government" wants us to be spending.
It also happens to be the time that it is likely at least difficult for many households.
Weird that the consumer has kept the economy afloat for some many years, and yet, it is still expected that the consumer should do so.
I know that I have put-off large purchases, even though I could pay for them. I need a new vehicle but I am waiting. I have a great job, but there is that little niggle in the back of my mind...
Saving and paying down debt will only prolong this thing-that being said, I do not feel like there is a more attractive alternative at this point. Unlike the "government" most people can't spend forever.
Another great story, CM. I'm really happy to see you're getting so much publicity, as well. Keep up the great work...this site will be profitable in no time...or maybe it will generate some paid gigs for you. I can then say I knew you when you were just a little guy. ;)
Thanks, Tang. Thanks for reading, too. Also, thanks for sharing the blog with others. I know my readers tell friends about it. I get emails from your friends!!
I guess it's not just happening to me. I also found out from Amex that they were rescinding my sign and travel and then imposed a charge limit based on a late payment from 2002 which was on my credit report when they offered me the card. It seems as though my six years of good payment history doesn't matter. When I called and spoke to a supervisor from the responsible lending department they were rude, nasty and even yelled at me. I don't understand this treatment from Amex. How do they think they will get customers to come back to them once the market turns around. Or do they care? I think this is crazy. As consumers we are screwed.
Camielle, I may use your comments in a future story. Thanks.
No problem. If you need more details or anything else, please let me know. I also got the same letter from Citibank and the opt out offer. My APR was going from 6.99 to 14.99. They also jacked the interest rate on the Home Depot card which is underwritten by Citi from 21.99 to 25.99. This whole thing is crazy.
Why not take the pay me first mentality to the next level. If the credit card companies really want to get nasty with each other they should offer a big incentive to transfer your debt to another card. Hot potatoe anyone?
GEMB? I wonder if CareCredit is included since I have a balance.
And if the other party doesn't want the hot potato, it can just raise the BT fees -- to some outrageous figure. I could imagine how fun it would be. :)
Sophia, not sure. My readers will have to keep me up to date here. Just email me if you get offers like the Amex deal.
Unfortunately my PIF status precludes me from getting any of these free cash deals. On the other hand, this status buys me a ticket on the sidelines to watch all all of this craziness without any fear of getting screwed.
I'll take that ticket.
Clutch, those of us who PIF still may get screwed in other ways. Like having our lines cut to shreds or taken away altogether, because we're not using them. You know, to "simplify our finances."
That's why I decided to get a charge card with Amex. Won't have to worry about the limit moving around on me.
CM, yeah, I alluded to upcoming CLD's and closures for PIFers earlier. I really don't think those are over. We don't have any say in that. The only thing I fear is the Chase-style monthly/annual fee's. It wont be a hard descision to close those accounts. It will be painful in other ways though.
Clutch, yep. Maybe that will be the next thing. More annual fees. If they all do it, then some customers would be stuck. They're dependent on their cards.
I truly think the CEO's at AMEX need a good and hard spanking 'cause what they are doing to their meal tickets is horrible!
Now, the taxpayers (all of us) are going to bail out their sorry arses...
Not fair!
Things will eventually turn around. We'll see if customers return to Amex. My guess is that they will. The American public has a short memory.
Yep, last Friday I returned to jalepeno poppers, even after what they did to me the week before.
Short memory indeed.
American Express is banking on it.
Impressed to see you are still answering every comment! You rock, CM, even when famous :)
-MelNYC
Mel, nothing has changed around here. I'm still running the blog as I always have. Staying interactive with my readers.
Thanks for posting! Have missed you around here.
DGF always pays $150 over and they haven't offered her a thing.
Who exactly are they targeting with these offers?
Jake, you're referring to the Citibank offer. No idea what their target audience looks like. My guess: people carrying a balance; slow payers (barely paying more than the minimum).
Wow. The citi offer isnt that bad. If I had a citi card and carried a balance and was offered it, I'd probably take it - assuming no other strings were attached.
Rebekah, it looks like a pretty solid deal. I am not aware of any strings.
I wonder,
Could there some kind of stigma attached to this $300 bait?
I sure AMEX isn't the only company to do a financial review. Let's say another bank would do an FR on one of their own customers. The bank sees an 1098 INT for $300 from Amex.
Uh, oh! Red flag?
V, while that could be a red flag, that's not something I would worry about. That sounds like an in depth review. I don't see most card issuers -- or lenders -- digging that deeply. Even so, there are other reasons to get a 1098.
Nah. I don't think there would be a problem.
If they are targeting minimum payment payers don't think they are going to do to well. Most minimum amount payers are that way because they can't pay in full and don't see how they are going to do it for the $300 or Citi offer. At least with Citi your account stays open.
I think Amex may be on the losing end once things start to straighten out. I know if I got treated like that I certainly wouldn't give them my business any more. I had Allstate for 20 years and after the hurricane got dropped like everyone else in FL and I wouldn't go to them for car insurance even if I saved 50% or more. That is just me tho.
American Express might be hoping that the customer does a balance transfer and shifts the risk to another card issuer. But you're right. Good chance a lot of these folks won't be able to do participate in the deal.
I don't know how much more bizarre behavior I can take from AMEX. There's not enough room here for me to provide all of the sordid details but last month I called because my interest rate went up for NO reason; they even admitted so much. This month, it was reduced by 10%! I'm just waiting for the other shoe to fall. I'm guessing I'll get this $300.00 offer in the mail soon.
I have a story for tomorrow you'll love -- regarding American Express. Stay tuned. :)
I'm the guy who sent in the Citibank offer, a little insight on my finance situation. I'm definitely a "slow payer" and have been paying the minimum on this particular card for at least a year because it's the 2nd lowest rate out of my mix of cards (12.9%).
I'm also a student with a cash issue =( I happened to get my tax return right after I got this email and paid off the balance ($680) with the intent of charging it back up (and saving the cash in my account that would have gone toward these charged expenses for when my fin-aid runs dry). This way, just from shifting money around, I'll get the ~$70 bonus vs. had I ignored the offer.
I know...I should be paying off balances, etc...(trust me, after being enlightened by this blog, I know now what to do), but I'm at least 3 years away from having the income to do it.
Hope this helps!
Chris, we'll celebrate when you reach your goals. Get those balances down. Eventually you'll be paying in full each month.
Oh and logistics...equifax FICO is about 650-660 due to very high utilization and one 90+ late in 2003. No derogs/judgements/collections. Limit on the card is lowest out of my mix ($690 or so) and min. payment is $20/mo. I opted out of the great citi rate hike in December.
I'm looking forward to reading the next instalment.:)
That derog has no impact on your score, so you are being dragged down by the utilization. If you're nearly maxed out on your cards, I would not be surprised to see your scores jump to near the mid-700s when you get your utilization below 10%.
Funny when I pulled my score (from the 30 day trial at myfico) it listed that 90+ as a big reason (#2) why I had a low score...I somehow knew this was wrong as when I worked as a mortgage originator (yes, I'm a part of this mess...haha, but I have a clear conscience) I had a borrower about 2-3 years out from a bk and he had 700+.
It's definitely utilization, and I think these offers are going to go mostly to those "maxed out" and where AMEX/Citi has the most to lose in case of default.
I wonder if I can get the $300 for not applying. ;)
Maybe I'll hold out for $350, since it'll save them the hassle of the inevitable CLD.
as a former amex employee, I know that Amex has over the last 10 years been agressively acquiring more revolve customers instead of pay in full charge customers. definitely to appease shareholders and anaylsts to prove that they are growing the base but with that strategy comes a lower spending customer who now is probably going to default.
I think its brilliant strategy to get that risk off the books. and as far as losing them forever I dont think the other cards are much better
Buddy -I'm an equal opportunity cardholder. I don't necessarily believe one card company is better than the other. They're all concerned about the bottom line - as they should be. The difference here is that AMEX has been the most reactionary in relation to their perceived customer risk. They've been great to me and I've had no AA, but based on what I've seen with others I can't claim entire immunity.
People can't spend what they don't have.
Amex/Citi might get some slow payers off the books but what will their portfolio look like long term? There are a lot better cards out there than Amex for people who aren't heavy chargers/travelers.
It just doesn't seem like they are taking a balanced approach to the problem.
Wow, what a great site. Lots of resources, lots of stuff to read.
My Amex story: I'm a freelance business person. Writer. Some web stuff and some consulting. My cashflow has gone into the toilet.
I have an Amex Platinum. Took several years to work up to it. Fell behind several times last year when clients fell behind paying me. Nothing more than $1500, but at one point right around the holidays I'd hit 60 days behind.
Finally back on track this year with payments coming to me. Had my balance straight by the start of the year.
Got a note a the start of the month that my charge limit was reduced to $1500.
I'm not complaining. It's point of personal pride to hold onto the card. And I like being square all around.
But I did find it funny that they reduced my charge limit to what I'd just paid back.
JDW,
Is brandishing the Amex Platinum worth $495/year? If so, why? I'm legitimately curious, especially since it's prestige is pretty much an illusion due to the low exposure limit.
Marcus,
DGF is soooo ticked about the Citi offer, LOL! She always pays $150 over the minimum and feels they are showing loyalty slow payers that could go to people like her. She's too upset to even call and ask about the offer, LOL!
It's all about incentives, Jake. Your DGF isn't the target customer.
Marcus,
Have you ever tried explaining "incentives" to a ticked off woman?
Her feelings, despite being really amusing, make sense but she's not a customer they consider high risk. Also, she's paying $150/month over minimum on a 0% BT, even without the additional incentive it's still an awesome deal for her.
Jake, good one. Ha!
Marcus,
Irony is that Citi showed us love today. It seems they have decided to target certain customer types for retention.
Jake, some good news. Good to hear it.
Marcus,
We probably fit whatever the current preferred profile is. She's a fast payer, about $140/month over minimum, and I PIF before the statement cuts.
Banks are fickle. Times will change and they will show love to someone else, LOL!
I just received one of the Citibank letters, offering me 20% of the amount I pay over the minimum, up to $550. This is on a 1.9% life-of-the-loan rate. What perplexes me is that, if I sign up, Citi will decrease my credit line by the amount I pay over the minimum due! So, they're rewarding me for paying down my balance, and simultaneously punishing me for paying down that balance! How strange...
Anon, yep. That's deal has been around since about November. If you take advantage of the deal -- like you said -- Citibank will slash your limit by the amount that you pay over your minimum.
In this case, you're essentially selling available credit.
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